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		<title>Por: Lenny C</title>
		<link>http://garavillalva.com/2010/01/16/unfathomable-beliefs-2/#comment-429</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And you&#039;d be right to say it&#039;s not. Knowledge without evidence is simply belief however much it feels like knowledge...
Lx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you&#8217;d be right to say it&#8217;s not. Knowledge without evidence is simply belief however much it feels like knowledge&#8230;<br />
Lx</p>
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		<title>Por: Gara</title>
		<link>http://garavillalva.com/2010/01/16/unfathomable-beliefs-2/#comment-428</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kristen,

Our beliefs obviously clash- you hope for the death of science while I long for its rebirth, so I&#039;m afraid there&#039;s no way we could possibly agree on anything, although I always like a challenge and wouldn&#039;t mind an open debate, sterile as it might be. 

As a matter of fact, I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; read the post in which you &quot;proved&quot; the power of crystals- only that to me and to anyone who believes that things should be PROPERLY proved by a thorough application of the scientific method, your proof means nothing. I&#039;m sorry if this sounds harsh, but I couldn&#039;t say anything different. If you want your ideas to be challenged in this respect, I recommend that you read &quot;Bad science&quot; by Ben Goldacre.

Good luck with your quest. 


Regards,
Gara.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kristen,</p>
<p>Our beliefs obviously clash- you hope for the death of science while I long for its rebirth, so I&#8217;m afraid there&#8217;s no way we could possibly agree on anything, although I always like a challenge and wouldn&#8217;t mind an open debate, sterile as it might be. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, I <em>did</em> read the post in which you &#8220;proved&#8221; the power of crystals- only that to me and to anyone who believes that things should be PROPERLY proved by a thorough application of the scientific method, your proof means nothing. I&#8217;m sorry if this sounds harsh, but I couldn&#8217;t say anything different. If you want your ideas to be challenged in this respect, I recommend that you read &#8220;Bad science&#8221; by Ben Goldacre.</p>
<p>Good luck with your quest. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Gara.</p>
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		<title>Por: Gara</title>
		<link>http://garavillalva.com/2010/01/16/unfathomable-beliefs-2/#comment-427</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hallelujah indeed, Lenny.

I absolutely agree with what you wrote. It&#039;s true that there&#039;s nothing new about these beliefs, but it&#039;s also a fact that there have been times where we, as a civilisation, seemed to have reached greater levels of knowledge. Now, I am absolutely aware about the implications in the use of this word, but I can stand a fight against those who would reply by saying that knowledge, precisely, is that openness, that, if you prefer, awareness of all those apparently inexplicable facts around us. I’d simply reply by saying it’s not, what else can I do.

I think it’s a fact that there is a regression in thought happening around us, and there are plenty of sociological reasons for that, but we can discuss that some other time ;)

Xx,
G.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah indeed, Lenny.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with what you wrote. It&#8217;s true that there&#8217;s nothing new about these beliefs, but it&#8217;s also a fact that there have been times where we, as a civilisation, seemed to have reached greater levels of knowledge. Now, I am absolutely aware about the implications in the use of this word, but I can stand a fight against those who would reply by saying that knowledge, precisely, is that openness, that, if you prefer, awareness of all those apparently inexplicable facts around us. I’d simply reply by saying it’s not, what else can I do.</p>
<p>I think it’s a fact that there is a regression in thought happening around us, and there are plenty of sociological reasons for that, but we can discuss that some other time ;)</p>
<p>Xx,<br />
G.</p>
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		<title>Por: Lenny C</title>
		<link>http://garavillalva.com/2010/01/16/unfathomable-beliefs-2/#comment-426</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gara, I&#039;m with you, but would take you up on a couple of points:

First, I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything new or 21st Century about the desire to hold esoteric beliefs. In fact it seems to me that people have related to the real world on a level of fantasy for ever. What&#039;s different now, I think, is that this current flowering of beliefs in rubbish is the result of a surfeit of knowledge about the world, resulting in a sort of intellectual indigestion and the reluctance to accept the implications of what science and psychology are discovering. This has been exacerbated by the wearing off of the mental tranquilliser provided by traditional religion.
By contrast, in the old days superstitious beliefs were much more forgiveable because they stemmed from genuine lack of knowledge. To the Greeks, there was absolutely no more plausible explanation around than that the clouds were brought by Zeus. Now there is.

Second, science is here to stay; not only because our daily lives are ruled by it and we as a species are too fond of physical comfort to go back (even mystics have to cross bridges and e-mail other mystics), but because how ever hard we have tried throughout history, we haven&#039;t been able to divest ourselves of reason. It&#039;s as persistent in the human psyche as the desire to believe...

Anyway Hallelujah, as I always say.

LennyX]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gara, I&#8217;m with you, but would take you up on a couple of points:</p>
<p>First, I really don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything new or 21st Century about the desire to hold esoteric beliefs. In fact it seems to me that people have related to the real world on a level of fantasy for ever. What&#8217;s different now, I think, is that this current flowering of beliefs in rubbish is the result of a surfeit of knowledge about the world, resulting in a sort of intellectual indigestion and the reluctance to accept the implications of what science and psychology are discovering. This has been exacerbated by the wearing off of the mental tranquilliser provided by traditional religion.<br />
By contrast, in the old days superstitious beliefs were much more forgiveable because they stemmed from genuine lack of knowledge. To the Greeks, there was absolutely no more plausible explanation around than that the clouds were brought by Zeus. Now there is.</p>
<p>Second, science is here to stay; not only because our daily lives are ruled by it and we as a species are too fond of physical comfort to go back (even mystics have to cross bridges and e-mail other mystics), but because how ever hard we have tried throughout history, we haven&#8217;t been able to divest ourselves of reason. It&#8217;s as persistent in the human psyche as the desire to believe&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway Hallelujah, as I always say.</p>
<p>LennyX</p>
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		<title>Por: kristenbelieves</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well yes it DOES exist actually. I found it on the internet: http://www.astroawareness.com/crystals/allabout.html#What are Crystals?

In case you don&#039;t know, you have to type that bit in and then your computer will turn into that instead of what was on it before.

Gara I am sorry that you think I am crap but you obviously didn&#039;t read the part where I proved about the power of crystals. No offence.

&quot;This -I am more convinced about it every day- will not cease to spread and will undoubtedly create a civilisation in which science will be finally pushed into the background.&quot;

Well we can only hope. That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.

Kristen XXXX]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes it DOES exist actually. I found it on the internet: <a href="http://www.astroawareness.com/crystals/allabout.html#What" rel="nofollow">http://www.astroawareness.com/crystals/allabout.html#What</a> are Crystals?</p>
<p>In case you don&#8217;t know, you have to type that bit in and then your computer will turn into that instead of what was on it before.</p>
<p>Gara I am sorry that you think I am crap but you obviously didn&#8217;t read the part where I proved about the power of crystals. No offence.</p>
<p>&#8220;This -I am more convinced about it every day- will not cease to spread and will undoubtedly create a civilisation in which science will be finally pushed into the background.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well we can only hope. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>Kristen XXXX</p>
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